Turkish politician to Al Mayadeen English: We want a parliamentary system, our priority is repatriating Syrian refugees
In an interview for Al Mayadeen, the vice-president of the Democrat Party reflects on a number of issues, including opposition to Erdogan, the Syrian refugee crisis, and the Palestinian cause.
Q: You support Mr. Kemal Kilicdaroglu for the presidency in Turkey. What makes him different from President Erdogan, who has been at the forefront of Turkish politics for more than two decades? What will he offer to the Turks?
When we support Mr. Kilicdaroglu, we support the possibility of normalizing Turkey again. This will engender crucial changes that are likely to put Turkey on the right track regarding our economy, foreign policy, education, security, judicial system, and the future of our country and the region in general. Mr. Kilicdaroglu is working as a team along with five other political parties so that all major decisions will be made in consensus.
Change in our parliamentary system is also one of the major promises proposed to the public. We want a system whereby the country is ruled through elected members of parliament rather than through one person and a cabinet of non-elected ministers as it is the current situation. The president will not enjoy such a wide scope of powers. This is a very important point for any country that aspires to democracy. The government must once again be held accountable for its actions and expenditures and be regularly subject to mass surveillance. Our legal system must also become independent with judicial, legislative, and executive decisions away from any government influence.
Q: The Kurdish file is very sensitive in Turkey, and the candidate you support is of Kurdish origin. If he assumes power, will he deal with the Kurds in a different way compared to how the current authority does?
You have to understand that in Turkey there are two ways of looking at the "Kurdish File": the first perspective deals with reality and the second has to do with what the West wants us to believe. The reality is that in Turkey, Turks and Kurds are so intertwined that it is impossible to separate them from each other. We have built our country together. We have established families and worked, fought, and died together for our homeland. The West however has gone to great lengths to show that there is a huge problem and that the Kurds want independence from Turkey. This is a completely false manipulative propaganda and is only part of the Great Kurdistan project that includes Turkey, Syria, Iraq, and Iran. This plot of course is supported by American-backed terror organizations and NGOs established in each country under different names of letter combinations. Radical groups that are financed by the West act in such a way as to carry out conspiratorial projects. This is all part of the separation project that failed with the establishment of our Republic in 1923. Although Mr. Kilicdaroglu is Kurdish, he is not a separatist, and for the present coalition, he seeks a united Turkey. No one is treated differently, as this would be an attempt to sow seeds of discrimination between Turks and Kurd
Q: In an unprecedented move, you visited the Syrian Embassy in Lebanon as a member of a Turkish party and met with the ambassador. What is your plan for the future relationship with Syria? Do you support the withdrawal from northern Syria?
This visit was very important for me personally and for our party. Personally, I have been following the Syrian war from the beginning and have been always strongly opposed to all that happened in this country and actively advocated against it. The Democrat Party has always been standing against the policies of the government and has always stressed the full sovereignty of Syria. Our visit was intended to show firstly the Syrian people that Turks do not agree with current policies and that the Turkish people want peace with Syria. We also want to actively take part in the restoration of both our relationships. This is our duty. So many words have been said for so long with little or no action taken to support what has been promised. We wanted to push for positive actions. As I mentioned previously, we completely support and recognize all territories in question belonging completely to the Syrian Arab Republic. As we pointed out in our meeting, we urge everyone to adopt the Adana Agreement and work together against terrorists that are operating in the area now, because this decision is in our mutual interests. When full agreements are reached between all parties, we will withdraw naturally from northern Syria. The only solution for permanent peace is to fight terror together.
Q: Your name is always associated with the Syrian refugees, and some accuse you of racism. As a party, do you have a clear plan to solve this issue?
Yes, you are correct. My name is generally associated with Syrian refugees as I am one of the very few people who do actual fieldwork and share information regarding the dangers we are facing. How can I be racist when during the earthquake, I personally tried to rescue Syrian children trapped under rubble? As in Lebanon, there are many NGOs and press on payrolls that advocate for the refugees to stay there. It is all part of the demographic engineering that is planned for the region.
To fight for your country is not racism, it is a duty.
The refugee situation has become a national security issue for all host countries, Europe included. We are all witnessing what Lebanon is going through now with uprisings. Even Sweden, Denmark, and England are having very serious security problems as a result of their refugee policies, which were very limited and controlled especially when compared to over five million uncontrolled entrances to Turkey. Unfortunately, there are many dangerous groups who infiltrated innocent refugees. In Turkey, you must understand that the refugees came here without any identification or security checks, and until 2014, their fingerprints were not even taken. Every time I point these out, I still find it difficult to believe it myself but this is the absolute truth.
Turkey is a nation that has been built on our soldiers who sacrificed their lives to reach absolute independence. It is inconceivable that over 900,000 young men are fleeing Syria to avoid conscription. Considering over 11 years of the many many lives lost by the Syrian soldiers to protect the homeland, how can these people be accepted into Turkish society? If you do not feel responsibility for your own homeland, then what can you offer to another country?
Moreover, many Syrians have received Turkish citizenship. This is completely illegal, but now they will vote in our elections. They will have a say in our sovereignty. I don’t think anyone can accept this. Another major problem now is that Syrians have a 5.8 birth rate in Turkey. There are over 2 million youths that are under 18 years old. Only around 600,000 children go to school, and about 1,500,000 have not received any formal education. Some are illiterate and exposed to many manipulations that will eventually result in recruitment into terror groups or with drug dealers... etc. It is a huge security crisis. As most have been born here and due to the non-existent relations between Turkey and Syria over the past 11 years, they have not been able to be registered as Syrian citizens despite being offsprings of Syrian fathers. So as you can see, my objections have nothing to do with racism but are purely related to national and regional security. Mr. President Bashar Al-Assad was very correct when he said the scorpion in our pocket will one day bite us as well.
We do have a clear plan as to how we will solve this. But in order to create a plan, we first need to be fully aware of the domestic and regional situation. Hence, this is the reason for our visit to Lebanon and to other countries of the region largely populated by refugees as in Turkey.
The first step is to establish firm ties with the Syrian Arab Republic. The state is the only recognized force in the region. Secondly, as Lebanon has done, we must plan together the future of the refugees in accordance with what is needed in Syria. We must also have a plan that includes a gradual return program with quotas for Turkey, Lebanon, Jordan, and, if required, Egypt. If we do not plan this together, Syria will not be able to cope with unplanned repatriation.
So a joint committee must be established. We cannot plan individually, we must plan together. We have to solve the economic situation in Syria by planning with Syria on what they want.
Q: Recently, you tweeted by attacking electoral slogans written in Arabic, which some considered a provocation and an insult to the Alevi communities of Hatay. What is your comment on this matter?
Since the earthquake disaster, I have purposely tried to avoid posting anything regarding the refugee situation. As I have worked in the area for some time during the devastation, I have seen that many areas are very sensitive toward provocation and the Turkish people cannot protect themselves as they have only tents if any violence erupts. But now that over two months have passed, our people are more able to protect themselves. My tweet aimed at the billboard ad campaign featuring the HDP party. which now is operating under the new name of GREEN LEFT PARTY. The billboard was pointing out specifically to the refugees who were naturalized but do not speak Turkish. There are no Turkish Arabs, Alevis, Sunnis, or even Catholics who live in Turkey and do not know Turkish. So as you can see, the propaganda wasn’t condemning the locals. Another problem is that by pushing the use of Arabic, the GREEN LEFT PARTY is actually paving the way for Kurdish to become the second official language of Turkey. They are using refugees as part of their own separatist agenda.
Q: What is your stance on the Palestinian cause, and how do you see the Turkish-Israeli relations?
We support the Palestinian people in fighting for their homeland and clearly see the issue as an occupation, just like the Golan region in Syria. We do, however, also see that if we do not solve the refugee crisis, then Turkey will witness the same occupation problems due to the government policy of naturalization: the government sold real estate, which has now exceeded over 1,500,000 sales. Turkish-Israeli relations work in two ways. We are able to work with "Israel" regarding our national interest, but we are also very clear on the Palestinian cause. Our opposition is an explicit rejection of the [Israeli] occupation.